Alot of clears seem to require more than the recomended amount of reducer to get them to flow right. The thing I like about the CC5000 clear is that it works perfectly without having to modify the manufactures mixing ratios. My suspicion on that one is that its pretty much the same stuff w/ less hardener added to the mix to change the performance. Where I work we can be running one machine with three packaging lines and be applying three different brand labels on the product coming out the other end.Įver looked at the list of ingredients on the Martin Senour CC5000 clear / hardener / reducer and compared the CAS #'s to say the 8639 clear. Martinsr, I guess I am just skeptical about products whenever marketing executives are involved. the Tec/BASE "stabilizer" used to reduce the base coat is a urethane reducer with 9850 mixing clear in it. I didn't use it much but the base covered very well, the SS synthetic enamel had amazing metallic control. I was VERY impressed by the whole Cross/FIRE line. Now, the clears and primers if I were asked to bet on, are "buy outs" made by another company like Transtar, Matrix or the like. My understanding from talking to the actual guys who develpoped it (though I admit as mentioned, there are secrets I am sure they wouldn't tell me) this was a stand alone system developed from scratch. Long after it was forgotten, a few years later all of a sudden we get this "value line" to compete with OMNI (hardly thought of at the time of the original talk about a Tec/SYSTEM replacement but now a FORCE to reckon with). This "replacement" system was forgotten and never mentioned again after the first few months of hype. This stysems description WAS what later became "Cross/FIRE". About two years before it was released there was talk about a new paint line that was going to REPLACE the Tec/System that makes Tec/BASE, Tec/ONE, and the like. I was with M-S when this product line came out. If you look in my photo album the orange Nova is done in Crossfire base that I had custom mixed using Staight CF103 mixing color with the basecoat fixer and balnce solvent added in the proper ratios by my jobber.Ĭlick to expand.I am not saying you are wrong, if there is one thing I learned as a Martin Senour rep was that the manufactures of these products have a LOT of secrets, kept even from the rep. The orange in the picture is HOK tangelo pearl. I use the CC5000 clear over all the different bases. So for overall refinising in a factory color I generally use Crossfire Base. You have to get that from the Tec Base line to stay withing that manufacuters products and it just gets too expensive. When an intercoat clear is needed you will be forced to mix product lines with Crossfire because they don't offer one. I can just look at my HOK book and pick colors that I think will work together without having to reasearch 1000's of factory color chips. On multi colored graphic type jobs I like to use HOK because that is what it is designed for and the cost is comparable to Crossfire. I think it is just a slick way to market a cheaper product by pulling the technology from the main line. So essentially you are getting the paint cheaper because it has way less pigment in it. My guess is that the "basecoat fixer" and "balance solvent" + reducer is what makes up the basecoat stabilizer in Tec Base (probably in different ratios to give the crossfire the thinner consistency and alter the original color to make it lighter). With crossfire you basically get 1/2 a can of thick paint that is filled the rest of the way with "basecoat fixer" and "balance solvent", to this you add regular reducer at a 2:1 ratio. WIth Tec Base you get a can of thick paint that you add a basecoat stabilizer to (milky looking stuff /not reducer) that mixes 1:1. When you buy Tec Base you are getting allot more pigment in the can than with Crossfire. My personal belief is that the Crossfire is just thinned down Tec Base. So if you see a new car on the lot with a new color chances are it will only be available in the Tec Base line. You will find that the latest pearl type colors take a long time be introduced in that line. Since it is designed for overalls, not every color is available in that line. I find that most Crossfire colors will end up being a slightly lighter shade than the original color. If you paint an overall with Crossfire and have to panel match it later you can as long as you use crossfire for the match (In other words it matches itself but not the factory finish). If you choose to use it to match a fender you are taking chances. The Crossfire line is designed for overall refinishing only. It does negate some of the cost savings though. I have used the white base as a ground coat to help with coverage as well.
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